The death of Christ.

I posted most of this some time ago. But I was younger then. …

According to Fred Espenak at NASA's Goddard laboratory, to within an accuracy of only 2 hours and 51 minutes, there was a partial eclipse of the moon on the night Jesus Christ died.

Year New Moon First Quarter Full Moon Last Quarter ΔT

33 Jan 4 10:14 Jan 12 15:24 02h51m
Jan 19 16:09 Jan 26 07:51 Feb 3 04:21 Feb 11 07:42
Feb 18 01:49 Feb 24 20:20 Mar 4 22:20 Mar 12 19:37
Mar 19 10:38 T Mar 26 10:33 Apr 3 14:51 p Apr 11 03:45
Apr 17 19:09 Apr 25 02:19 May 3 04:54 May 10 09:20
May 17 03:59 May 24 19:15 Jun 1 16:19 Jun 8 13:50
Jun 15 13:57 Jun 23 12:41 Jul 1 01:42 Jul 7 18:42
Jul 15 01:56 Jul 23 05:38 Jul 30 10:06 Aug 6 01:14
Aug 13 16:33 Aug 21 21:14 Aug 28 18:34 Sep 4 10:38
Sep 12 09:42 A Sep 20 10:57 Sep 27 03:50 p Oct 3 23:51
Oct 12 04:16 Oct 19 22:42 Oct 26 14:17 Nov 2 17:13
Nov 10 22:34 Nov 18 08:45 Nov 25 02:03 Dec 2 14:01
Dec 10 15:10 Dec 17 17:29 Dec 24 15:19

From the heading* to the tables:

p – Partial (Umbral)
ΔT 02:51 likely chronological error. This is due to the best calibration coming from the beginning of the renaissance

I think it is impossible to say whether he died on what would be our 3rd or the 4th of April. The Jewish day started at noon. He died on the Friday, the Sabbath started on the Friday afternoon and ended noon Saturday.

According to one of Jesus' biographers he died at the same time the darkness was relieved at about 9 am.

From 6 o'clock to 9 o'clock the darkness covered all the land. About the 9th hour Jesus cried out and someone gave him a drink but another pierced his side with a spear. He then cried out once more and died. Then the massive drapes in the temple spearating the holy from the most holy were ripped top to bottom and an earthquake split the foundations. All this would have occured between 9 and noon Saturday.

I'm not sure what the chronicle means next about the raising of the dead. Check it out for yourself at Matthew chapter 27.
The point is that somewhere there had been a volcanic eruption and it occurred shortly before an earthquake in the city. (Possibly a 5.5M or greater. In a town like Jerusalem, in those days, the damage would have been severe if the quake was an high 6 or a 7 mag. And many people would have died even though not in bed.
Consider the quake at Bam in Persia. Not a very arge magnitude but an outrageously high mortality considering the religious fervour of the occupants of that nation.)

I don't have any idea what moutain would have erupted and I can't think why it wasn't recorded. We know the date of the eruption of Vesuvius that destroyed Pompei.

The year, 33, the name of the month was Nisan and he died on the 14th of Nisan. The date for passover varies from year to year. It is calculated as the time of the first full moon after spring equinox. Spring equinox these days takes place around the third week in March. However since the Fist Point of Airies has moved over the last two thousand years, the times of the season may have varied too. I don't know.

I don't think it would take much research to uncover the facts about that. I haven't done it though. Sorry.

Also impossible to say, doubly so since we can't hope to guess what the state of the oceans was in that era let alone that time, it is impossible to say what the effect of the moon was on the weather.
We can make suppositions.

Something you can do with navigation is extrapolation and interpolation. You take a reading and work out what the height of your point of view is and extrapolate for the tables which gives a reading at the equator at sea level on the Greenwich meridian.

And the answer you come up with is your location.
That is the basis of using astronomy to stee ships.

Using proven coincidents of natural phenomenon you can compose a table of events. And for cycles where volcanoes erupt due to so and so an occurrence gives you an idea of the typical cycle of the oceans at the time.

Of course there are no comparable tables like those prepared by HM Admiralty and the JPL at NASA.
But there will be one day.

We do know what the weather was at Jerusalem the night before Jesus was arrested. The two phases prior to the full moon that night were:
19th March, New Moon at 10:38 give or take nearly three hours; a total solar eclipse and
26th March, First Quarter at 10:33.

If these times of phases were correct, they indicate that there was a severe storm in the Indian Ocean if the ocean cycles were similar to 2011. Whatever the case, the fact that the dynamic resolution of the phases bring them into a synergetic disposition, whatever the actual time of the phase…
there was something in the air that night.

A major volcanic event darkened the sky over Jerusalem for a period of several hours. Earlier that morning the man, Jesus had been sweating copiously, yet when they led him away to the house of the chief priest; shortly after sunrise, the morning was chilly. A warm fron had passed in the dark, perhaps sometime around 3 or 4 am.

The times of the phases in February are what I would call unstable. They would tend to induce a negative aspect to the North Atlantic, giving weak spells and a tendency to high pressure over Greenland, displacing the Icelandic Low and the Azores High.

I think that when the veracity of this foray into the historicity of astrometry is examined more closely than it will be in my life-time, the evidence for the exct times of the co-ordinates of the moon will be found. Jeruslaem was destroyed by the terroristss and Roman solldiers sent to quell their insurrection in the 70th decade of this century. IIRC this was around 64 Ad or CE whatever.

All records of the eclipses at Jerusalem were either lost or removed. It remains to be seen what is hidden in the Dead Sea Scrolls. No doubt when the information is released it will become a little clearer. I don't know if it was a pity that the land was in turmoil destroying the records or that it might turn out for the "best" (if I might be forgiven for using such a term.)

When a general wins a victory that leads to political success in his later career, he tends to preserve all he can about his credentials. Mostly what shows him in what he thinks is a good light. Politics is a bitch though and these things tend to get wrecked by his successors. Maybe historical records will come to light that allow a reworking of these times to a greater accuracy.
(There is a great deal of interest in that ssort of thing but don't hold your breath.)

(*This is the superscript to all the tables of lunar phases from NASA at >{file scrambled by my computer:///phase/phase2001gmt.html}<

Phases of the Moon: 1 to 100

The following table gives the date and time (Universal Time) of all phases of the Moon for a period of one century. This data is provided primarily to assist in historical research projects. For the year 2000, the length of the mean synodic month (New Moon to New Moon) is 29.530588 days (=29d12h44m03s). However, the length of any one synodic month can vary from 29.26 to 29.80 days due to perturbing effects of the Sun on the Moon's eccentric orbit.

The phase table also indicates whether an eclipse of the Sun or Moon occurs on the date in question and gives the eclipse type. An eclipse of the Sun can occur only at New Moon, while an eclipse of the Moon can occur only at Full Moon. In any calendar year there are a minimum of two solar and two lunar eclipses. The maximum number of eclipses in any one year is 7 (4 solar and 3 lunar, or 5 solar and 2 lunar). The following table lists abbreviations for the different types of solar and lunar eclipses.
Eclipse Types
Solar Eclipse Lunar Eclipse
T – Total t – Total (Umbral)
A – Annular p – Partial (Umbral)
H – Hybrid (Annular/Total) n – Penumbral
P – Partial

Historians should note that the astronomical dating system used in these tables includes the year "0" while the traditional BCE – CE dating convention does not. Thus, the year "0" here corresponds to "1 BCE", the year "-100" is "101 BCE", and so on. The old style Julian calendar is used for dates prior to 1582, while the modern Gregorian calendar is used after that date. For more information, see calendar dates.

The last column of the phase table lists ΔT, the value used to convert Dynamical Time to Universal Time. The uncertainty in the value of ΔT grows large for dates in the distant past or future.

Footer:

Algorithms used in predicting the phases of the Moon and eclipses are based on Jean Meeus' Astronomical Algorithms (Willmann-Bell, Inc., 1998). All calculations are by Fred Espenak, and he assumes full responsibility for their accuracy.

Permission is freely granted to reproduce this data when accompanied by an acknowledgment.

* Project Manager: Fred Espenak
* Website Manager: Fred Espenak
* Responsible NASA Official: Robert Candey
* Last Updated: 2007 March 27

Project and Website Manager: Fred Espenak (fred.espenak-1@nasa.gov)
Responsible NASA Official: Amy Simon-Miller (amy.a.simon-miller@nasa.gov)
Planetary Systems Laboratory – Code 693.0
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Greenbelt, MD 20771, USA

Advertisements

16 thoughts on “The death of Christ.

  1. Oh man; what a turkey the formatting is on this site.I suppose it doesn't help that getting it from NASA gives it too many blank spaces for table reproduction.Let's try downloading a table from the origianl site:http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/phase/phasecat.html Year New Moon First Quarter Full Moon Last Quarter ΔT 33 Jan 4 10:14 Jan 12 15:24 02h51m Jan 19 16:09 Jan 26 07:51 Feb 3 04:21 Feb 11 07:42 Feb 18 01:49 Feb 24 20:20 Mar 4 22:20 Mar 12 19:37 Mar 19 10:38 T Mar 26 10:33 Apr 3 14:51 p Apr 11 03:45 Apr 17 19:09 Apr 25 02:19 May 3 04:54 May 10 09:20 May 17 03:59 May 24 19:15 Jun 1 16:19 Jun 8 13:50 Jun 15 13:57 Jun 23 12:41 Jul 1 01:42 Jul 7 18:42 Jul 15 01:56 Jul 23 05:38 Jul 30 10:06 Aug 6 01:14 Aug 13 16:33 Aug 21 21:14 Aug 28 18:34 Sep 4 10:38 Sep 12 09:42 A Sep 20 10:57 Sep 27 03:50 p Oct 3 23:51 Oct 12 04:16 Oct 19 22:42 Oct 26 14:17 Nov 2 17:13 Nov 10 22:34 Nov 18 08:45 Nov 25 02:03 Dec 2 14:01 Dec 10 15:10 Dec 17 17:29 Dec 24 15:19

  2. Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    According to one of Jesus' biographers he died at the same time the darkness was relieved at about 9 am:From 6 o'clock to 9 o'clock the darkness covered all the land. About the 9th hour Jesus cried out and someone gave him a drink but another pierced his side with a spear.

    That's not right at all, Mike. Jew's customs about time are totally different to ours but if you pay attention to details they will be comprehensive to you though. Bible is explain by itself. Look! The periods of the day, or their daily hours, are mentioned in Matthew 20:1-16. Likely, They divide -I don't know nowadays but during biblical times at least- in several periods well defined. BTW, they say Bible is a lot of rubbish but if you have respect fot it you could find some treasures of information in. You must to read this book through I think. I use always my favourite word for my favourite books: they are all a tiny piece in that huge puzzle that's my entire universe: to me, our life is wholly a game and our reward will be the everlasting life -if you win the game of course. I imagine Life like an absolutely interesting game! Christ's death is the most important piece in that extraordinary game called Life… The true life, the real life.Sorry… for distraction. Hehe! as you can see Jews count the hours of their day from the first light of day – the dawn, so you must understand the darkness started at midday and three hours later Jesus died (If you believe -by the chance, Jesus is God -then your God was died for a while, Hehe). In the same way, you must recall the maximum lenght of a solar eclipse in everywhere, in any point of the surface of the Earth, IIRC is around 7 minutes and one half and being 14th of Nisan a Full moon day is totally impossible that a solar eclipse was produced in that spell: on Nisan 14th, Moon is in its half way of its translation route and just on that moment Earth is situated between Sun & Moon. As you see it's absolutely impossible an eclipse of the Sun could occur on 14th of Nisan of 33e.c. It could NEVER occur on that day indeed.

  3. The darkness that covered the land at the time of Jesus death has neve been explained. I was just suggesting the probable cause was a volcanic eruption somewhere to windward.He was hung in the morning without time for a fair trial. The morning being the Jewish evening or whatever. The Jewsish day started at noon IIRC. And evening and a morning.Now I am getting confused. Anyway the sun was on the Jerusalem side of the planet all through the execution. So how and why did it get dark?I was pointing out the likely weather conditions and the arrival of the earthquake to end the travesty. Seeing the weather was unusual, whatever it was, -a humid, warm night and a cold morning. Then the darkness seems to me to point to volcanic activity somewhere.

  4. I'll have to dig out my bible now. Or look it up online. I am sure the passage is in Matthew.Got it from wikipedia:Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. (…) And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.— Matthew 27:45, 27:51-54A solar ecclipse only lasts a few minutes of totality. And only takes place at new moon.New moon was on the 19th March too early for equinox.First quarter on the 26th Mar 26 just after equinox so the full moon on the 3rd April would have been the one. The 2 phases previous to 3 April were both at the same time offering an explanation for a synegetic event that would cause an anticyclone and then break for the 3rd with a volcanic eruption.A synergy is when two forces act as one to produce more force than they would separately. Like if you throw a bucket of water down a dry slope, the stream isn't strong. But if you pour one bucket just before that, the ground becomes slick and the second bucket's water runs fast.It is a phenomenon of fluid mechanics. If the buckets are tipped out on different days the water has no force from either one, both get absorbed in the soil.I hope you can see what I am not saying very well.It can't be easy, you being a woman and all that.

  5. Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    It can't be easy, you being a woman and all that.

    [/quote]Jejeje… it's very funny of your part Mike, remarking such a thing really. It's hard truly as I'm a woman and all that -to me Geophisics is quite interesting though -Biblical teachings also, and well whorthy our wasting time with both of them I think :)This afternoon I'm going to have a meeting, a sort of legal fight, for that same cause: Being a woman. I hope to do it very well. God saves me… :p

  6. The problem with computing that far back is there are no references to compare for accuracy. The earliest fairly accurate dates with astronomical data on, come from the 15 century and the dawn of the age of reason.Can you bleieve I forget the name of the astronomer who provided them. He was Norwegian, had a gold nose and an irrascible manner (just like mine.)Not that my nose is any colour but its original.Putting the data up online is one thing but getting it right is another. How far out is three hours?It murders my codes for forecasting but it is quite good for archeological stuff -if there is any call for that.It would be interesting for astronomers to know what was in the sky at the time. But for forecasting volcanic eruptions you need to know there was a Blocking High and that requires very close timing. And being even half an hour out isn't good enough.However there is reason to suppose it will go together in some half-arsed fashion. Like putting an engine back after a rebuild and forgetting to put the shims and the crank bearings in.You will get it to start and the first hour or so it might even work. But you couldn't use the engine for much. Once the oil starts spraying all over the place you would notice a problem.However if the cylinders are all firing in the correct order, as might be coneivable with the data at the top of this thread… (Copy and paste it to a reply box to get the table to line up, or copy it to a spread sheet or text file.)But any similar run (if the NASA data will work like that) will provide a weather anomally of one sort or another.At the moment I am not good enough to be able to say what's what even with modern data with reliable sitings.If I could do that I would be able to forecast earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. And I would be famous.As it happens for all the money that has been spent on seismic and volcano research, someone should have cracked it by now. It only took three years to invent the atom bomb. They threw a few million dollars and some very clever scientist at it and KAAABBOOOOOOM!But all the brains since then and some billions of dollars later and they are nowhere with earthquake forecasting. For all they have accomplished they might as well have consulted astrologers.Doesn't it seem they have got their needle stuck in the wrong groove?Just supposing the volcanoes and earthquakes are all related to a simple problem called leaking reservoirs.I have a problem with water hammer at home. The plumbing leaks and when I switch a tap off it thumps and bangs like an antique goods train.Which sounds -so they say, just like an earthquake recording speeded up to audible range.Suppose that that is all there is to it. And we KNOW that the tides affect the water lavels of the planet.So…????

  7. Not if Rupert Murdoch is still in business.If there was a lot of money involved I might be even then…But I am going to be after my death even if it is just a codicil about what might have been had the world not been ruled by eejits.The annals of history are littered with references to men who had the right idea but not the power or influence to get them off the ground.I suppose I will settle for that. I won't have much choice after I am gone.

  8. Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    I suppose I will settle for that.

    And I also suppose if the resurrection was true your name will be vindicated for sure, Mike. If not… History will do it at last! 😀

  9. Originally posted by tdjmd1:

    Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    And I would be famous.

    Wondering… Would you like that?

    Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    Not if Rupert Murdoch is still in business.If there was a lot of money involved I might [like to] be [famous but] even then…But I am going to be after my death -even if it is just a codicil about what might have been had the world not been ruled by eejits.The annals of history are littered with references to men who had the right idea but not the power or influence to get them off the ground.I suppose I will settle for that. I won't have much choice after I am gone.

    Originally posted by tdjmd1:

    [/font]Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    I suppose I will settle for that.

    And I also suppose if the resurrection was true your name will be vindicated for sure, Mike. If not… History will do it at last!

    I have learnt to supply quotes to my replies seeing as how a certain person wanted her comments erased some time ago and messed up a lot of my threads.I think the resurrection is about vindicating another name not mine. The old ways will be washed out like the days of Noah.A complete new start with all the best brains from the dawn of science and before will all havwe a different take on things and the needs of the future will take precedence over what happened a long time ago even for those with a personal stake in the past.Who would want to be reminded of the things that existed in a time they would like to forget?Not me.I have too much cargo already and would gladfly relinquish the good bits to flee the bad ones.In the mean-time I am just trying to remove the ignorant reproof to that name by people who say there is no god and at the same time would blame him for the weather and everything he gave us mastery of.No-one with the ability to do the research these days has the right to say a disaster was an act of god.And this now applies to earthquakes and phreatic eruptions.

  10. You're absolutely right at those three bottom lines of yours, Mike.'Act of god' is an euphemistic way to say God's the source of those terrible events I also think.

  11. Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    Or crappy internet connections.

    I completely agree with you… until crappy internet connections are due to negligence or spite or evil intent… or… the first only?

  12. People point to the way men treat men or we die of natural causes cancer etc as proof of a redundant diety.And some of the things that occur in nature are terrible.But most of the things we do or have happen to us are due to negligence or spite or evil intent.Or crappy internet connections.

  13. That was an attempt at humour.Where is your shout box. I went to your home page looking for tdjmd1 but there isn't even a tdmd1 let alone a shout box. Not that I like the opera shout box.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s