North Atlantic tropical storms and Arctic Sea ice.

From a thread on uk.sci.weather

The tables need to be edited to remove quite a lot of data as most of it is confusing as posted to date. …

From:
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/index.php

2000:

1 Tropical Depression ONE 07-08 JUN 25 1008 –
2 Tropical Depression TWO 24-25 JUN 30 1006 –
3 Hurricane ALBERTO 04-23 AUG 110 950 3
4 Tropical Depression FOUR 09-11 AUG 30 1009 –
5 Tropical Storm BERYL 13-15 AUG 45 1007 –
6 Tropical Storm CHRIS 18-19 AUG 35 1005 –
7 Hurricane DEBBY 19-24 AUG 65 1
8 Tropical Storm ERNESTO 02-03 SEP 35 1005 –
9 Tropical Depression NINE 09-09 SEP 30 –
10 Hurricane FLORENCE 11-17 SEP 70 985 1
11 Hurricane GORDON 14-18 SEP 65 981 1
12 Tropical Storm HELENE 15-22 SEP 55 996 –
13 Hurricane ISAAC 21 SEP-01 OCT 120 943 4
14 Hurricane JOYCE 25 SEP-02 OCT 80 976 1
15 Hurricane KEITH 28 SEP-06 OCT 115 942 4
16 Tropical Storm LESLIE 05-07 OCT 35 1006 –
17 Hurricane MICHAEL 17-20 OCT 85 965 2
18 Tropical Storm NADINE 19-22 OCT 50 –

2001:

1 Tropical Storm ALLISON 05-06 JUN 50 1002 –
2 Tropical Depression TWO 12-12 JUL 25 1011 –
3 Tropical Storm BARRY 02-06 AUG 60 990 –
4 Tropical Storm CHANTAL 15-22 AUG 60 994 –
5 Tropical Storm DEAN 22-28 AUG 60 992 –
6 Hurricane ERIN 01-15 SEP 105 969 3
7 Hurricane FELIX 07-19 SEP 100 965 3
8 Hurricane GABRIELLE 11-19 SEP 70 975 1
9 Tropical Depression NINE 19-20 SEP 30 1005 –
10 Hurricane HUMBERTO 21-27 SEP 90 970 2
11 Hurricane IRIS 04-09 OCT 125 950 4
12 Tropical Storm JERRY 06-08 OCT 45 1003 –
13 Hurricane KAREN 12-15 OCT 70 982 1
14 Tropical Storm LORENZO 27-31 OCT 35 1007 –
15 Hurricane MICHELLE 29 OCT-06 NOV 120 933 4
16 Hurricane NOEL 05-06 NOV 65 984 1
17 Hurricane OLGA 24 NOV-04 DEC 80 973 1

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21 thoughts on “North Atlantic tropical storms and Arctic Sea ice.

  1. 2004:1 Hurricane ALEX 31 JUL-06 AUG 105 957 3 2 Tropical Depression TWO 03-04 AUG 30 1009 – 3 Tropical Storm BONNIE 09-12 AUG 55 1000 – 4 Hurricane CHARLEY 09-15 AUG 125 941 4 5 Hurricane DANIELLE 13-21 AUG 90 970 2 6 Tropical Storm EARL 13-16 AUG 40 – 7 Hurricane FRANCES 25 AUG-09 SEP 125 935 4 8 Tropical Storm GASTON 27 AUG-01 SEP 60 991 – 9 Tropical Storm HERMINE 29-31 AUG 45 1000 – 10 Hurricane IVAN 02-24 SEP 145 910 5 11 Tropical Depression TEN 09-09 SEP 30 1013 – 12 Hurricane JEANNE 13-28 SEP 110 3 13 Hurricane KARL 16-24 SEP 120 938 4 14 Hurricane LISA 19 SEP-03 OCT 65 987 1 15 Tropical Storm MATTHEW 08-10 OCT 40 997 – 16 Tropical Storm NICOLE 10-11 OCT 45 988 – 17 Tropical Storm OTTO 30 NOV-02 DEC 45 993 – 2005:1 Tropical Storm ARLENE 08-13 JUN 60 30 – 2 Tropical Storm BRET 28-30 JUN 35 1002 – 3 Hurricane CINDY 03-07 JUL 65 992 1 4 Hurricane DENNIS 05-13 JUL 130 930 4 5 Hurricane EMILY 11-21 JUL 135 929 4 6 Tropical Storm FRANKLIN 21-29 JUL 60 997 – 7 Tropical Storm GERT 23-25 JUL 40 1005 – 8 Tropical Storm HARVEY 02-08 AUG 55 994 – 9 Hurricane IRENE 04-18 AUG 85 975 2 10 Tropical Depression TEN 13-14 AUG 30 1008 – 11 Tropical Storm JOSE 22-23 AUG 45 1001 – 12 Hurricane KATRINA 23-31 AUG 150 902 5 13 Tropical Storm LEE 28 AUG-02 SEP 35 1007 – 14 Hurricane MARIA 01-10 SEP 100 960 3 15 Hurricane NATE 05-10 SEP 80 979 1 16 Hurricane OPHELIA 06-18 SEP 80 976 1 17 Hurricane PHILIPPE 17-24 SEP 70 985 1 18 Hurricane RITA 18-26 SEP 150 897 5 19 Tropical Depression NINETE 30 SEP-02 OCT 30 1006 – 20 Hurricane STAN 01-05 OCT 70 979 1 21 Tropical Storm TAMMY 05-06 OCT 45 30 – 22 Tropical Depression TWENTY 08-09 OCT 30 1009 – 23 Hurricane VINCE 09-11 OCT 65 987 1 24 Hurricane WILMA 15-25 OCT 150 882 5 25 Tropical Storm ALPHA 22-24 OCT 45 998 – 26 Hurricane BETA 27-31 OCT 100 960 3 27 Tropical Depression TWENTY 14-16 NOV 30 1004 – 28 Tropical Storm GAMMA 18-21 NOV 40 1004 – 29 Tropical Storm DELTA 23-28 NOV 60 980 – 30 Hurricane EPSILON 29 NOV-08 DEC 75 979 1 31 Tropical Storm ZETA 30 DEC-06 JAN 55 994 –

  2. 2008:1 Tropical Storm ARTHUR 31 MAY-02 JUN 35 1005 – 2 Hurricane-3 BERTHA 03-20 JUL 105 948 3 3 Tropical Storm CRISTOBAL 19-23 JUL 55 – 4 Hurricane-2 DOLLY 20-25 JUL 85 964 2 5 Tropical Storm EDOUARD 03-06 AUG 55 – 6 Tropical Storm FAY 15-26 AUG 55 – 7 Hurricane-4 GUSTAV 25 AUG-04 SEP 130 941 4 8 Hurricane-1 HANNA 28 AUG-07 SEP 70 978 1 9 Hurricane-4 IKE 01-14 SEP 125 935 4 10 Tropical Storm JOSEPHINE 02-06 SEP 55 994 – 11 Hurricane-1 KYLE 25-29 SEP 70 984 1 12 Tropical Storm LAURA 29 SEP-01 OCT 50 993 – 13 Tropical Storm MARCO 06-08 OCT 55 998 – 14 Tropical Storm NANA 12-14 OCT 35 1005 – 15 Hurricane-3 OMAR 13-18 OCT 110 959 3 16 Tropical Depression SIXTEE 14-16 OCT 30 1003 – 17 Hurricane-4 PALOMA 05-10 NOV 125 943 4 2009:1 Tropical Depression ONE 28-29 MAY 30 1006 – 2 Tropical Storm ANA 11-17 AUG 35 – 3 Hurricane-4 BILL 15-24 AUG 115 4 4 Tropical Storm CLAUDETTE 16-18 AUG 45 – 5 Tropical Storm DANNY 26-29 AUG 50 – 6 Tropical Storm ERIKA 01-04 SEP 50 1004 – 7 Hurricane-3 FRED 07-12 SEP 105 958 3 8 Tropical Depression EIGHT 25-26 SEP 30 1008 – 9 Tropical Storm GRACE 05-06 OCT 60 986 – 10 Tropical Storm HENRI 06-08 OCT 45 1005 – 11 Hurricane-2 IDA 04-10 NOV 90 2

  3. 2002:1 Tropical Storm ARTHUR 14-16 JUL 50 997 – 2 Tropical Storm BERTHA 04-09 AUG 35 1008 – 3 Tropical Storm CRISTOBAL 05-08 AUG 40 999 – 4 Tropical Storm DOLLY 29 AUG-04 SEP 55 994 – 5 Tropical Storm EDOUARD 01-06 SEP 55 1002 – 6 Tropical Storm FAY 05-08 SEP 50 998 – 7 Tropical Depression SEVEN 07-08 SEP 30 1009 – 8 Hurricane GUSTAV 08-12 SEP 80 960 1 9 Tropical Storm HANNA 12-14 SEP 45 1001 – 10 Hurricane ISIDORE 14-26 SEP 110 934 3 11 Tropical Storm JOSEPHINE 17-19 SEP 50 1004 – 12 Hurricane KYLE 20 SEP-12 OCT 75 980 1 13 Hurricane LILI 21 SEP-04 OCT 125 938 4 14 Tropical Depression FOURTE 14-16 OCT 30 1002 – 2003:1 Tropical Storm ANA 21-24 APR 45 996 – 2 Tropical Depression TWO 11-12 JUN 30 1008 – 3 Tropical Storm BILL 29 JUN-01 JUL 50 997 – 4 Hurricane CLAUDETTE 08-16 JUL 70 981 1 5 Hurricane DANNY 16-20 JUL 65 1005 1 6 Tropical Depression SIX 19-21 JUL 30 1008 – 7 Tropical Depression SEVEN 25-26 JUL 30 1016 – 8 Hurricane ERIKA 14-17 AUG 65 987 1 9 Tropical Depression NINE 21-22 AUG 30 1008 – 10 Hurricane FABIAN 27 AUG-08 SEP 125 939 4 11 Tropical Storm GRACE 30-31 AUG 35 1007 – 12 Tropical Storm HENRI 03-08 SEP 45 997 – 13 Hurricane ISABEL 06-19 SEP 140 920 5 14 Tropical Depression FOURTE 08-10 SEP 30 – 15 Hurricane JUAN 25-29 SEP 90 970 2 16 Hurricane KATE 25 SEP-07 OCT 110 952 3 17 Tropical Storm LARRY 02-06 OCT 50 993 – 18 Tropical Storm MINDY 10-14 OCT 40 1002 – 19 Tropical Storm NICHOLAS 13-23 OCT 60 990 – 20 Tropical Storm ODETTE 04-07 DEC 55 –

  4. 2012:1 Tropical Storm ALBERTO 19-22 MAY 45 998 – 2 Tropical Storm BERYL 26-30 MAY 60 992 – 3 Hurricane-1 CHRIS 19-22 JUN 65 987 1 4 Tropical Storm DEBBY 23-27 JUN 50 990 – 5 Hurricane-1 ERNESTO 01-10 AUG 75 980 1 6 Tropical Storm FLORENCE 04-06 AUG 50 1000 – 7 Tropical Depression SEVEN 09-11 AUG 30 1008 – 8 Hurricane-2 GORDON 15-19 AUG 95 965 2 Active9 Tropical Storm HELENE 17-18 AUG 40 1004 – Arctic Sea ice comparison:As you can see whatever the overall effect of tropical storms the differences at the top of the graph is minor. That indicates the major control is from the seasons directly. It remains to be seen if "forced mixing" or placements of Warm Pool events has any bearing.

  5. 2006:1 Tropical Storm ALBERTO 10-14 JUN 60 995 – 2 Tropical Storm BERYL 18-21 JUL 50 1001 – 3 Tropical Storm CHRIS 01-05 AUG 55 1001 – 4 Tropical Storm DEBBY 21-27 AUG 45 1000 – 5 Hurricane ERNESTO 24 AUG-01 SEP 65 987 1 6 Hurricane FLORENCE 03-12 SEP 80 972 7 Hurricane GORDON 11-20 SEP 105 955 3 8 Hurricane HELENE 12-24 SEP 105 954 3 9 Hurricane ISAAC 27 SEP-02 OCT 75 985 1 2007:1 Subtropical Storm ANDREA 09-11 MAY 40 1002 – 2 Tropical Storm BARRY 01-02 JUN 45 997 – 3 Tropical Storm CHANTAL 31 JUL-01 AUG 45 994 – 4 Hurricane-5 DEAN 13-23 AUG 145 918 5 5 Tropical Storm ERIN 15-19 AUG 35 1003 – 6 Hurricane-5 FELIX 31 AUG-05 SEP 145 929 5 7 Tropical Storm GABRIELLE 08-11 SEP 45 1004 – 8 Hurricane-1 HUMBERTO 12-14 SEP 75 986 1 9 Tropical Storm INGRID 12-17 SEP 40 1002 – 10 Tropical Depression TEN 21-22 SEP 30 1004 – 11 Tropical Storm JERRY 23-25 SEP 40 1000 – 12 Tropical Storm KAREN 25-29 SEP 60 990 – 13 Hurricane-1 LORENZO 25-28 SEP 70 990 1 14 Tropical Storm MELISSA 28-30 SEP 40 1003 – 15 Tropical Depression FIFTEE 11-12 OCT 30 1011 – 16 Hurricane-1 NOEL 28 OCT-02 NOV 70 1 17 Tropical Storm OLGA 11-13 DEC 50 1003 –

  6. Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    the differences at the top of the graph is minor.

    The dates for when the sea ice is almost the same for all years is the height of summer (May and June) and winter (November through to January.)Considering the considerable, Atlantic hurricanes DO seem to effect an affective effect.Well, they do!

  7. 2010:1 Hurricane-2 ALEX 25 JUN-02 JUL 85 947 2 2 Tropical Depression TWO 08-09 JUL 30 1005 – 3 Tropical Storm BONNIE 22-24 JUL 35 1006 – 4 Tropical Storm COLIN 02-08 AUG 50 – 5 Tropical Depression FIVE 10-11 AUG 30 1007 – 6 Hurricane-4 DANIELLE 21-31 AUG 115 942 4 7 Hurricane-4 EARL 25 AUG-05 SEP 125 928 4 8 Tropical Storm FIONA 30 AUG-04 SEP 50 997 – 9 Tropical Storm GASTON 01-02 SEP 35 1005 – 10 Tropical Storm HERMINE 06-09 SEP 55 991 – 11 Hurricane-4 IGOR 08-21 SEP 135 4 12 Hurricane-4 JULIA 12-20 SEP 115 950 4 13 Hurricane-3 KARL 14-18 SEP 105 956 3 14 Hurricane-1 LISA 21-26 SEP 70 987 1 15 Tropical Storm MATTHEW 23-26 SEP 45 998 – 16 Tropical Storm NICOLE 28-29 SEP 35 996 – 17 Hurricane-1 OTTO 06-10 OCT 75 972 1 18 Hurricane-2 PAULA 11-15 OCT 85 2 19 Tropical Storm RICHARD 21-26 OCT 40 1004 – 20 Hurricane-1 SHARY 29-30 OCT 65 989 1 21 Hurricane-2 TOMAS 29 OCT-07 NOV 85 982 2 2011:1 Tropical Storm ARLENE 29 JUN-01 JUL 55 993 – 2 Tropical Storm BRET 17-22 JUL 55 996 – 3 Tropical Storm CINDY 20-22 JUL 50 1000 – 4 Tropical Storm DON 27-30 JUL 45 998 – 5 Tropical Storm EMILY 01-07 AUG 45 – 6 Tropical Storm FRANKLIN 12-13 AUG 40 1004 – 7 Tropical Storm GERT 14-16 AUG 50 1000 – 8 Tropical Storm HARVEY 19-22 AUG 50 994 – 9 Hurricane-3 IRENE 20-29 AUG 105 942 3 10 Tropical Depression TEN 25-26 AUG 30 1007 – 11 Tropical Storm JOSE 28-29 AUG 40 1007 – 12 Hurricane-4 KATIA 29 AUG-10 SEP 115 4 13 Tropical Storm LEE 02-05 SEP 50 986 – 14 Hurricane-1 MARIA 06-16 SEP 70 979 1 15 Tropical Storm NATE 07-11 SEP 60 994 – 16 Hurricane-4 OPHELIA 21 SEP-03 OCT 120 940 4 17 Hurricane-1 PHILIPPE 24 SEP-08 OCT 80 976 1 18 Hurricane-2 RINA 23-28 OCT 95 966 2 19 Tropical Storm SEAN 08-11 NOV 55 983 –

  8. I will have to check most of the following as I am just going by memory. SO DON'T QUOTE ME:The Arctic ocean lends itself to layering as no other sea basin on the planet does. Besides its temperature checks (called the Thermo-Haline Column) the Arctic ocean has a massive straight ridge running dead centre, the outlet into the Pacific is too shallow to drain it and the through-put of circulation from other oceans is bottlenecked at the Norwegian Sea and the Davis Straight.The Thermo-Haline Column is, in the Arctic, a mechanism by which that whole ocean maintains a similar temperature of minus 2 to plus 2 degrees centigrade at all depths all year round.In reality the ocean should be subdivided the way that the Atlantic is subdivided. The two main Atlantic subdivisions are the North and South Atlantics. You might define the Arctic as East and West Arctics. Except the Chukchi Sea end of it is neither east or west and the Norwegian Sea side is also neither east or west; so the terms, at best, would be vague.Let me draw you an analogy:Virtually everything east of the Urals and north of the Himalayas as far as Mongolia at least drains into the Arctic via Siberia. Siberia is landlocked and semi desert. It almost never rains there.It is watered the same way the Garden of Eden was, the same way that the Atacama is and, too, the Antarctic: By fogs and frosts.In the far north of Siberia there is a semi desert similar to the Sahel. A land of ice and perpetual sunshine called the Taiga.In the west virtually everything west of the Urals drains into the Mediterranean or the Baltic/North Sea via a twin system of increasingly larger lakes and seas. It rains all the time in that half of the continents. Water that either goes into the North Atlantic Gyre to America from Spain and Morocco or into the Norwegian Sea via the Skagerrak.How the Arctic behaves is dependent on how much water falls on Northern Europe and how much water falls on Northern Asia.That is without considering what drains into it from Canada including the northern states of the USA not drained via the Mississippi.At the surface temperatures are at zero. At the bottom the temperatures would be 4 degrees C but warmer saltier water is heavier so mixing takes place.Most of the water leaving the Arctic at the Davis Straight, in most winters, is ice. Thus there must be a great deal of fresh water entering directly from the surrounding land masses to keep the brine levels the same as they are in most other waters (about 37 grams of salt per litre of brine.)It stands to reason then that ice cover relies on at least one of three factors:Fresh water input.Mixing with warm water from the Pacific and Atlantic andLocal conditions throughout the year.The latter is the Arctic Oscillation. If there is a lot of low cloud there will tend to be warm water on the surface. If this is fresh water it will run off faster through the Davis Straight in winter unless it is turned to ice or held in situ by a Blocking Low at the southern extreme of the channel.(I am only guessing that would work. It is in fact more likely to be an example of how the Arctic Oscillation operates.)If there is a lot of anticyclonic activity over the Arctic, the waters will tend to cool faster on the surface in the winters. In the summer there may be a tendency to fog. This could shield the sea from sunlight but what other effect it would have on temperature would have to be investigated on site.Investigating the thermo-haline columns all over the Arctic Ocean at all depths would require data from the incessant submarine activities there during the cold war. That military data has started to become available over the last few years.

  9. Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    The dates for when the sea ice is almost the same for all years is the height of summer (May and June) and winter (November through to January.)

    Yet there is a definite change in the ice levels:Steps like 2.9 to 4 are not unusual. A jump from 4.4 to 5.2 (1995/6 for example) but something unusual has happened. Something more than mere hurricane behaviour.I wonder what.

  10. I have been fixing on the problem as though it is a statistical one. Or rather as though there was a thing such as a statistical answer.What is more likely is that there is a reason that the level dropped to 2.9.And there must be a mechanism involved for the other levels to occur with the regularity shown.Something causes ice levels in the Arctic to reach:3, 3.5, 4, 4.5 and etc.What?The water level at the Bering Straight inlet (the Chukchi Sea) tends to maintain a circulation of open water most years.What percentage of the ocean is that?The surface in previous times was made up of old ice that could be 80 feet thick and more. Once that has gone, the rebuilding from ice that is only one or two seasons old is going to take some time.Even so the mechanism involved has to have a sharply defined explanation. It goes along with the engineering principle suggested at Job 38:"Who shut up the seas doors when it burst out into life and made its clothing out of clouds and wrapped it deep and dark?I fixed its limits and set its bars. Saying:"This far you may come and no farther. Here is where your proud waves halt."It doesn't mention ice but it goes without saying that given enough darkness the ice will return.But it does specifically state there will be no world wide or permanent rising of the oceans sea levels.

  11. Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    How the Arctic behaves is dependent on how much water falls on Northern Europe and how much water falls on Northern Asia.That is without considering what drains into it from Canada including the northern states of the USA not drained via the Mississippi.

    As you can see by the blue bar chart above, the Arctic is subject to periodical cycles of inexplicable large and small ice coverage.It is my contention that this is dependent on the amount of snowfall in the various sections of the lower northern latitudes:Canada/USA, Europe and what used to be the USSR, as well as the Himalayan (and adjacent) mountain ranges.This year most of northern Asia from China to Russia has been hit with severe flooding. But just a few weeks before that a study of the Taiga by a joint venture from Russia and USA colleges surveyed a part of Siberia during a period of intense drought:http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/fromthefield/2012/08/15/siberia-2012-final-thoughts/?src=eoa-blogsIf you are interested in the same sort of things I am you will find the adventure interesting. If you reads this far into the thread you will go to that site and start reading, you won't be able to resist.Start at the bottom of the page and read it in sections by date. The thread is upside-down and base-carrkwads.Originally posted by Dr Slava Kharuk:

    This was our third remote river expedition with NASA’s scientists to larch dominated communities. We crossed larch forests by boating on Embichimo River. Helicopter and boat are the only means to get the study area. The Embechimo is a consequence of rapids, rough waters and “lake-like” surfaces, with underwater boulders which lie in ambush to crush boat engines. Our only hopes for relief were additional water from tributary rivers.But those tributaries were almost dried out: hot! It has been unusually hot … and so many forest fires, too. “Dry” thunderstorms caused fire ignitions over a millions hectares.The landscapes along the route were regenerating burns of different post-fire ages. We saw successions from seedlings embedded into “battle field” of mortal trees up to mature forests. The history of these “battles” was imprinted in burnmarks on the surviving and dead boles.Warming-induced fire frequency increase may convert Siberian taiga from the sink to the source of carbon dioxide (at least at short time intervals). Also, fires promote larch domination, since conquered species are less fire-resistant. Warming also increases seasonal permafrost thawing depth and soil drainage, prolonging vegetation period and, consequently, promotes an increase in larch growth. White-hot Arctic Circle sun irradiated energy is similar to Amazonian sun during polar days. But warming also provides opportunities for the “southern species” (Siberian pine, spruce, fir, birch, aspen) to migrate into larch habitat.

    Leaving aside his flower prose about Glowballs, the crew pointed out some stuff I had no idea bout. Definitely worth a quarter of an hour of your life.So interesting in fact, that I have forgotten what I was going to say in this comment. No matter, I can run off at the mouth any time god likes.

  12. Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    So interesting in fact, that I have forgotten what I was going to say in this comment. No matter, I can run off at the mouth any time god likes.

    In Britain it rains so often that there are ports every 5 or 10 miles dotted around the coast. Each one either a fishing village or a major international city such as London or Liverpool.These are each fed by small but copious, perennial rivers that never dry up.Along the coast of North Africa they have two or three sea ports per country. Some of them filling up very other year or so. Inland they are fed by seasonal rains draining into dry valleys for a few weeks every year in a good cycle.More people live in the conurbations from Glasgow to Edinburgh, Liverpool to York, and Cardiff to London than live in the whole of North Africa east of Egypt and north of Nigeria. (I was going to say the Sudan, a geo-political idea left over from the British Empire but that is now a country on the southern Nile.)The rivers that drain the region from Senegal to Cameroon are set out a little more sensibly. With very little effort, the rest of North Africa could be that fertile. It would wouldn't cost much more than putting a team of men in relays on the various moon bases in times past.And it would become financially self sustaining once the groundwork began. (Which is more than you could expect from any future missions to Mars would ever be.)All you would have to do is convince a few Africans to stop killing themselves and find alternatives to malaria, leprosy, AIDS and dengue. I wouldn't have thought it would be so difficult if I wasn't an adult.Originally posted by Wikipedia:

    Landing men on the Moon by the end of 1969 required the most sudden burst of technological creativity, and the largest commitment of resources ($24 billion), ever made by any nation in peacetime. At its peak, the Apollo program employed 400,000 people and required the support of over 20,000 industrial firms and universities.

    (I won't mention that the USA was simultaneously getting its arse handed to them in a bag by a bunch or rice farmers in a far-away country made up of people of whom they knew nothing and couldn't kill fast enough.We've all made that mistake.)Aren't people stupid?Beats me why god puts up with us.

  13. Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    More people live in the conurbation from Glasgow to Edinburgh…

    Originally posted by From a message to a friend:

    I love nothing more than having a chance to speak to anyone about this stuff. It's heartbreaking that nobody wants to. I am sure it is because I forget my ideas are often hard to grasp. I can't remember with each post that my efforts are being read by people who dismiss everything I say as being counter to perceived wisdom. I aught to step back and criticise my work from that POV more often. But nobody should be expected to explain the obvious differences with classical teachings and his own different ideas with every thread he starts.It's not possible.And they are scientists, I'm just an unemployed crank.I do try to do recaps, from time to time but it often seems like pushing water uphill. Maybe I aught to design a signature to cover that?

    I have no idea how many people live on that rain soaked stretch of valley between those two capital ports.I imagine it is something like the population of Libya. It might even be more for all I know. It might be the same number as live along the whole northern coast of Africa from Tripoli to Timbuktu.If all the ice melted and ended up in heaven, imagine all the water available to quench a land that large.But the first thing to move in would be mosquitoes. And we are not ready, as a family, to help each other deal with that. So that is why god his holding back on us.Imagine the savagery if he extended his mighty powers to help us in our need.There are some seven thousand million people on this planet.Which means:There are some 7 000 000 000 people in this universe.The whole universe. That's all.If god came down to us now, do you know what he would say?"Where the **** IS everybody!"And the British would say:"Well we had to kill all the Germans because they ate their eggs out of the little end of the shell."And the Germans would say:"Well we had to kill the Jews because they ate their eggs out of the big end of the shell."And the Jews would say:"Well we had to kill the Palestinians because they kept saying they were here first."And the USAnians would say:"Well we had to kill the buffalo because they made the trains late"And the Indians would say:"Well we had to kill each other because the cowboys were late."How long do you think he would listen to that nonsense?The British and the French fought each other for most of the last thousand years b e c a u s e . p e o p l e . l i k e . k i l l i n g . e a c h . o t h e r.They LIKE it.They must do.Or they would stop doing it.Well, wouldn't they?

  14. Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    It seems obvious to me that there is a strong relationship between sea ice and hurricanes.So do I have to prove it?Yes!And nobody is going to take the slightest bit of notice?Yes.Because that's what we are like?Yes.Thanks god.You are welcome.

    My immediate response to that is:You can all **** off.And yet…

  15. If there are 100 tropical depressions, storms and hurricanes every year: How many tracks would I have to analyse against the backdrop of something like 30 million earthquakes each year?***OK so I drop the data from stuff that don't make Cat 1 or Mag 5.It's still an hell of a lot of data.That's why I haven't been able to face the task I set myself with the beginning of this thread.It seems obvious to me that there is a strong relationship between sea ice and hurricanes.So do I have to prove it?Yes!And nobody is going to take the slightest bit of notice?Yes.Because that's what we are like?Yes.Thanks god.You are welcome.

  16. Originally posted by Weatherlawyer:

    "Well we had to kill all the Germans because they ate their eggs out of the little end of the shell."

    There goes 50 million people.And their great grand children… to date…How many is that?"Where's all the fish in the sea?""We ate them Lord.""What?ALL of them?""Well, yes.Well all the ones we eat.Well some of them.Some went to land-fill.But we put the other's back""So where are they?""Ah, well you see…"Do you think he would see?What else is he kind enough NOT to see.

  17. From Wikipedia:American Drought is a record-breaking expansion of the 2010–2012 Southern United States drought which began in the spring of 2012, when the record-shattering lack of snow in the United States caused very little meltwater to absorb into the soil.The drought includes most of the US, parts of Mexico, and central and Eastern Canada. It currently covers 80% of the contiguous United States. Out of that 80%, 62% is designated as at least moderate drought conditions. It is affecting a similarly large area as droughts in the 1930s and 1950s but it has not yet been in place as long.The drought has inflicted, and is expected to continue to inflict, catastrophic economic ramifications for the affected states, exceeding the most recent comparable drought of 1988-1989 and is on track to exceed that drought as the costliest natural disaster in US history.***Meanwhile, at the same time:List of floods in 2012 from the Wikipedia.2012 Russian floodsThe 2012 Russian floods occurred in southwest Russia in early July, mainly in Krasnodar Krai near the coast of the Black Sea The …2012 Brahmaputra floodsThe 2012 Brahmaputra floods are an unprecedented flood event along the Brahmaputra river and its tributaries due to significant monsoon …2012 Loreto floodsThe 2012 Loreto floods is an ongoing orange-alert weather event that affects Loreto Region , Peru throughout January until now. …2012 Himalayan flash floods are the floods that occurred on the midnight of August 3, 2012 in the the Himalayan region of Northern Indian …2012 Romanian floodsThe 2012 Romanian floods were the result of an extreme weather event that struck Romania in late May 2012. Authorities reported four …2010-2012 Singapore floods (section 2012)The 2010–2012 Singapore floods refers to the series of flash flood s that hit various parts of the city state Singapore in 2010, 2011 and …2012 Great Britain and Ireland floodsThe 2012 Great Britain and Ireland floods is a weather event that affected parts of Great Britain and Ireland on 27 and 28 June 2012 and …2012 North Korean floodsThe 2012 North Korean floods began in mid-July 2012 when Tropical Storm Khanun affected parts of the country, killing at least 88 people …January 2012 Fiji floodsFiji was hit by serious flooding during January 2012. … Eight people were reported to have died in the floods, most of them on the main …July 2012 Beijing floodIn a twenty-hour period on July 21, 2012, a flash flood hit the city of Beijing … The 2012 flash floods reached levels not seen in …May 2012 Nepal floodsNepal was hit by serious flooding during May 2012. The floods are thought to have been caused by waters of the Seti building near its …Typhoon Haikui (redirect from 2012 Philippine floods)August 2012 The name Haikui, which replaces Longwang , means sea anemone in Chinese . … on Due to the expanding floods, officials in the city …China floodsChina floods may refer to: 2012 China floods 2008 South China floods 1931 China floods 74 BC Guangdong Province floods -2011–12 South Pacific cyclone season (redirect from March 2012 Fiji floods)"01F" from:28/12/2011 till:01/01/2012 color:TD text:"02F" from:07/01/ … evacuation centers after record floods hit the island nation The next …Krasnodar Krai (section 2012 floods)2012 floods: 2012 Russia floods. after torrential rains overnight caused the worst flooding and landslides in over 70 years The average rainfall …Floods in AustraliaThis is a list of notable recorded flood s that have occurred in the country of … 2007 | Gippsland Floods (June) | VIC | 2008 | Mackay …Krymsk (section 2012 floods)2012 floods: 2012 Russian floods. Krasnodar Krai experienced a flash flood on July 7, 2012 after heavy rains.***A search for African drought brought up many pages. The first links concerned East and west Africa, notably Eithiopia, Somalia and the Sahel, a situation continued since 20112.All of just the beginning of any research into the phenomena presently suspected in the Arctic.God help us.

  18. It shows you the annual stats along with the average from each decade it covers.Just ignore the ten year rings if you can. The animation would be better if all the rings were transitory or permanent. Either option would have been far less confusing.

  19. This one is the most troubling:http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/index.uk.phpIt compares the thicknesses of Arctic ice over the period 2000-2009."Ice extent in the middle of February for the period 2000-2009. Grey areas indicate the extent of the relative thin winter ice.White area indicate the extent of the thicker multi year ice.2001: 2009:

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